{"id":4011,"date":"2013-05-28T16:14:57","date_gmt":"2013-05-28T14:14:57","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/lyonbondyblog.fr\/LBB\/?p=4011"},"modified":"2013-12-22T19:01:59","modified_gmt":"2013-12-22T18:01:59","slug":"miguel-benasayag-repond-aux-questions-du-public","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lyonbondyblog.fr\/LBB\/miguel-benasayag-repond-aux-questions-du-public\/","title":{"rendered":"Miguel Benasayag r\u00e9pond aux questions du public"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong>Dans la seconde partie de la rencontre, les \u00e9changes ont eu lieu entre le public et Miguel Benasayag. Et ce dernier ne s\u2019est pas fait prier pour r\u00e9pondre et ainsi prolonger la r\u00e9flexion. Echanges \u00e0 la deuxi\u00e8me personne.<\/strong><\/p>\n<h2><b>L\u2019\u00e9loge du conflit, contre l\u2019id\u00e9e de consensus<\/b><\/h2>\n<p><b> Accepter la conflictualit\u00e9, le son :<br \/>\n<\/b><\/p>\n<p>On demande \u00e0 Miguel Benasayag jusqu\u2019o\u00f9 la qu\u00eate de chercher toujours \u00e0 r\u00e9soudre des conflits pourrait nous emmener\u00a0? Ce \u00e0 quoi il r\u00e9pond qu\u2019on ne doit pas g\u00e9rer les conflits, mais respecter la conflictualit\u00e9 et se lib\u00e9rer de chercher des solutions. Nous devons trouver des voies d\u2019\u00e9mancipation, produire des nouveaux modes de vie\u2026 La vie n\u2019est pas un probl\u00e8me, il n\u2019y a pas \u00e0 chercher de solution. La seule solution est la solution finale. La volont\u00e9 de refuser le conflit m\u00e8ne toujours \u00e0 la barbarie.<\/p>\n<p><strong>L\u2019\u00e9mancipation passe par le conflit\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.lyonbondyblog.fr\/article\/echo-organise-la-pression-citoyenne\">Sur le m\u00eame th\u00e8me, nous vous recommandons cet article sur le Community Organizing, avec l\u2019association Grenobloise ECHO.<\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>Les classes sociales<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><b>Q\/R sur les classes sociales<b>, le son : <div id=\"mp3jWrap_0\" class=\"mjp-s-wrapper s-graphic unsel-mjp \" style=\"font-size:18px;\"><span id=\"playpause_wrap_mp3j_0\" class=\"wrap_inline_mp3j\" style=\"font-weight:700;\"><span class=\"gfxbutton_mp3j play-mjp\" id=\"playpause_mp3j_0\" style=\"font-size:18px;\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/span>&nbsp;<span class=\"group_wrap\"><span class=\"bars_mp3j\"><span class=\"loadB_mp3j\" id=\"load_mp3j_0\"><\/span><span class=\"posbarB_mp3j\" id=\"posbar_mp3j_0\"><\/span><\/span><span class=\"T_mp3j\" id=\"T_mp3j_0\" style=\"font-size:18px;\">Miguel benasayag QRCLASSES SOCIALES<\/span><span class=\"indi_mp3j\" style=\"font-size:12.6px;\" id=\"statusMI_0\"><\/span><\/span><span class=\"vol_mp3j flipped\" id=\"vol_mp3j_0\"><\/span><\/span><\/div><span class=\"s-nosolution\" id=\"mp3j_nosolution_0\" style=\"display:none;\"><\/span><script>\nMP3jPLAYLISTS.inline_0 = [\n\t{ name: \"Miguel benasayag QRCLASSES SOCIALES\", formats: [\"mp3\"], mp3: \"aHR0cHM6Ly9seW9uYm9uZHlibG9nLmZyL0xCQi93cC1jb250ZW50L3VwbG9hZHMvMjAxMy8wOC9NaWd1ZWwtYmVuYXNheWFnLVFSQ0xBU1NFUy1TT0NJQUxFUy5tcDM=\", counterpart:\"\", artist: \"\", image: \"\", imgurl: \"\" }\n];\n<\/script>\n\n<script>MP3jPLAYERS[0] = { list: MP3jPLAYLISTS.inline_0, tr:0, type:'single', lstate:'', loop:false, play_txt:'&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;', pause_txt:'&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;', pp_title:'', autoplay:false, download:false, vol:85, height:'' };<\/script><br \/>\n<\/b><\/b><\/p>\n<p>Dans le texte \u00e0 d\u00e9battre, il n\u2019est pas fait r\u00e9f\u00e9rence aux classes sociales. Pourquoi\u00a0? Si Miguel Benasayag ne r\u00e9pond pas exactement \u00e0 la question\u00a0; pour lui, les classes sociales sont un moment d\u2019unification dans une lutte, mais pas l\u2019unique. Il conteste l\u2019id\u00e9e d\u2019une solution finale par la lutte des classes. Il donne l\u2019exemple d\u2019une femme du Chiapas qui voulait \u00e9tudier au Mexique en pleine insurection du Chiapas. Plus de d\u00e9tails dans l\u2019audio.<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u00ab\u00a0On est tr\u00e8s pench\u00e9s sur le quotidien\u00a0\u00bb<\/strong><\/p>\n<div class=\"youtube\" style=\"width: 350; height: 300;\"><object width=\"350\" height=\"300\" classid=\"clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000\" codebase=\"http:\/\/download.macromedia.com\/pub\/shockwave\/cabs\/flash\/swflash.cab#version=6,0,40,0\"><param name=\"wmode\" value=\"transparent\" \/><param name=\"src\" value=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/P0UleNZNQJQ?autoplay=0\" \/><embed width=\"350\" height=\"300\" type=\"application\/x-shockwave-flash\" src=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/P0UleNZNQJQ?autoplay=0\" wmode=\"transparent\" \/><\/object><\/div>\n<p>Miguel Benasayag met en exergue la difficult\u00e9 de sortir de l\u2019imm\u00e9diat, et le fait qu\u2019il faut se m\u00e9fier de la communication. La suite dans le son suivant.<\/p>\n<p><strong>La contre-information ne suffit pas<\/strong><\/p>\n<div class=\"youtube\" style=\"width: 350; height: 300;\"><object width=\"350\" height=\"300\" classid=\"clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000\" codebase=\"http:\/\/download.macromedia.com\/pub\/shockwave\/cabs\/flash\/swflash.cab#version=6,0,40,0\"><param name=\"wmode\" value=\"transparent\" \/><param name=\"src\" value=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/j24m1G2wJOo?autoplay=0\" \/><embed width=\"350\" height=\"300\" type=\"application\/x-shockwave-flash\" src=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/j24m1G2wJOo?autoplay=0\" wmode=\"transparent\" \/><\/object><\/div>\n<p>La contre-information ne suffit pas. L\u2019engagement se fait toujours avec une part d\u2019incertitude. Il est tr\u00e8s important de produire de la contre information. Mais une somme de contre informations ne permet pas d\u2019avancer.<\/p>\n<h2><strong>Comment s&rsquo;organiser ?<\/strong><\/h2>\n<div class=\"youtube\" style=\"width: 350; height: 300;\"><object width=\"350\" height=\"300\" classid=\"clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000\" codebase=\"http:\/\/download.macromedia.com\/pub\/shockwave\/cabs\/flash\/swflash.cab#version=6,0,40,0\"><param name=\"wmode\" value=\"transparent\" \/><param name=\"src\" value=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/906Yr7wCu0o?autoplay=0\" \/><embed width=\"350\" height=\"300\" type=\"application\/x-shockwave-flash\" src=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/906Yr7wCu0o?autoplay=0\" wmode=\"transparent\" \/><\/object><\/div>\n<p>Bruno, de la Maison des passages, revient sur le cycle\u00a0: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.maisondespassages.fr\/Programmation\/Maison-des-passages-programmation-en-cours\/L-archipel-des-resistances-la-petite-voix-qui-dit-non\/m5p5r2.html\">l\u2019archipel des r\u00e9sistances\u00a0<\/a><\/p>\n<p>R\u00e9seau sans fronti\u00e8res, Robin des villes et les faucheurs volontaires y \u00e9taient invit\u00e9s. Il a fait une immense d\u00e9couverte\u00a0: tous ces gens ne se connaissaient pas. Il en dresse donc un constat\u00a0: les nouvelles champs d\u2019action ne sont pas coordonn\u00e9s entre eux. \u00ab<em>On d\u00e9rape, on patine<\/em>.\u00bb D\u2019o\u00f9 la question\u00a0: Faut-il s\u2019organiser\u00a0? La r\u00e9ponse de Miguel dans l\u2019audio.<\/p>\n<h2><strong>Comment changer les lieux de pouvoir ?<\/strong><\/h2>\n<div class=\"youtube\" style=\"width: 350; height: 300;\"><object width=\"350\" height=\"300\" classid=\"clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000\" codebase=\"http:\/\/download.macromedia.com\/pub\/shockwave\/cabs\/flash\/swflash.cab#version=6,0,40,0\"><param name=\"wmode\" value=\"transparent\" \/><param name=\"src\" value=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/zZfkCEr4IXU?autoplay=0\" \/><embed width=\"350\" height=\"300\" type=\"application\/x-shockwave-flash\" src=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/zZfkCEr4IXU?autoplay=0\" wmode=\"transparent\" \/><\/object><\/div>\n<p>Il faut obliger les\u00a0 lieux de pouvoir \u00e0 changer, ce qui nous renvoie au capitalisme. Qu\u2019est-ce que \u00e7a va donner si on dit aux capitalistes qu\u2019il faut changer\u00a0? Miguel commence par dire qu\u2019il n\u2019a jamais \u00e9t\u00e9 poli avec l\u2019ennemi. La suite dans l\u2019audio.<\/p>\n<h2><strong>Les indign\u00e9s<\/strong><\/h2>\n<div class=\"youtube\" style=\"width: 350; height: 300;\"><object width=\"350\" height=\"300\" classid=\"clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000\" codebase=\"http:\/\/download.macromedia.com\/pub\/shockwave\/cabs\/flash\/swflash.cab#version=6,0,40,0\"><param name=\"wmode\" value=\"transparent\" \/><param name=\"src\" value=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/I3-nqH6UNAg?autoplay=0\" \/><embed width=\"350\" height=\"300\" type=\"application\/x-shockwave-flash\" src=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/I3-nqH6UNAg?autoplay=0\" wmode=\"transparent\" \/><\/object><\/div>\n<p>Sur la necessite de cr\u00e9er des contre pouvoir, du bordel, du chaos (comme le dit Miguel), qui produit de la conflictualit\u00e9. N\u2019a-t-on pas assist\u00e9 avec le le mouvement des indign\u00e9s. \u00ab\u00a0<em>Avec tout le respect que j\u2019ai pour le mouvement des indign\u00e9s, ce n\u2019est pas \u00e7a le contre pouvoir.<\/em> \u00bb La suite de la r\u00e9ponse de Miguel dans l\u2019audio.<\/p>\n<h2><strong>Accepter la conflictualit\u00e9<\/strong><\/h2>\n<div class=\"youtube\" style=\"width: 350; height: 300;\"><object width=\"350\" height=\"300\" classid=\"clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000\" codebase=\"http:\/\/download.macromedia.com\/pub\/shockwave\/cabs\/flash\/swflash.cab#version=6,0,40,0\"><param name=\"wmode\" value=\"transparent\" \/><param name=\"src\" value=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/JNBUdWdg2Gw?autoplay=0\" \/><embed width=\"350\" height=\"300\" type=\"application\/x-shockwave-flash\" src=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/JNBUdWdg2Gw?autoplay=0\" wmode=\"transparent\" \/><\/object><\/div>\n<p>Sur la conflictualit\u00e9, Miguel Benasayag la consid\u00e8re comme personnelle. Il d\u00e9clare ne repr\u00e9senter personne. Il s\u2019agit, toujours selon lui, de prot\u00e9ger la vie. Il faut accepter la conflictualit\u00e9.<\/p>\n<h2><strong>La lutte pour la rupture est un pi\u00e8ge<\/strong><\/h2>\n<div class=\"youtube\" style=\"width: 350; height: 300;\"><object width=\"350\" height=\"300\" classid=\"clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000\" codebase=\"http:\/\/download.macromedia.com\/pub\/shockwave\/cabs\/flash\/swflash.cab#version=6,0,40,0\"><param name=\"wmode\" value=\"transparent\" \/><param name=\"src\" value=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/vFw1SLPmDRo?autoplay=0\" \/><embed width=\"350\" height=\"300\" type=\"application\/x-shockwave-flash\" src=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/vFw1SLPmDRo?autoplay=0\" wmode=\"transparent\" \/><\/object><\/div>\n<p>\u00ab\u00a0<em>On est tous le con ou l\u2019intelligent de quelqu\u2019un<\/em> \u00bb, note un participant, qui fait r\u00e9f\u00e9rence \u00e0 Antonio Gramsci et plus particuli\u00e8rement au pessimisme de la pens\u00e9e et l&rsquo;optimisme de l\u2019action. Miguel revient alors sur les hypoth\u00e8ses \u00e0 partir desquelles on pense le changement comme des ruptures inopin\u00e9es qu\u2019on ne peut pas viser. Plus d\u2019explications dans l\u2019audio.<\/p>\n<h2><strong>\u00ab\u00a0C&rsquo;est normal d&rsquo;aller mal parfois\u00a0\u00bb<\/strong><\/h2>\n<div class=\"youtube\" style=\"width: 350; height: 300;\"><object width=\"350\" height=\"300\" classid=\"clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000\" codebase=\"http:\/\/download.macromedia.com\/pub\/shockwave\/cabs\/flash\/swflash.cab#version=6,0,40,0\"><param name=\"wmode\" value=\"transparent\" \/><param name=\"src\" value=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/wQWfq7iqNRY?autoplay=0\" \/><embed width=\"350\" height=\"300\" type=\"application\/x-shockwave-flash\" src=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/wQWfq7iqNRY?autoplay=0\" wmode=\"transparent\" \/><\/object><\/div>\n<p>Comment faire pour ne pas se retrouver avec ce besoin de reconnaissance, et la soumission qu\u2019elle engendre\u00a0? La r\u00e9ponse dans l\u2019audio.<\/p>\n<h2><strong>Il faut prot\u00e9ger la vie<\/strong><\/h2>\n<div class=\"youtube\" style=\"width: 350; height: 300;\"><object width=\"350\" height=\"300\" classid=\"clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000\" codebase=\"http:\/\/download.macromedia.com\/pub\/shockwave\/cabs\/flash\/swflash.cab#version=6,0,40,0\"><param name=\"wmode\" value=\"transparent\" \/><param name=\"src\" value=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/ubXgRI-CqQE?autoplay=0\" \/><embed width=\"350\" height=\"300\" type=\"application\/x-shockwave-flash\" src=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/ubXgRI-CqQE?autoplay=0\" wmode=\"transparent\" \/><\/object><\/div>\n<p>\u00ab\u00a0<em>Il faut prot\u00e9ger la vie\u00a0<\/em>\u00bb, r\u00e9p\u00e8te \u00e0 l\u2019envie Miguel. Mais on pourrait faire un amalgamme avec un slogan anti-avortement. R\u00e9ponse particuli\u00e8rement interessante dans l\u2019audio qui suit.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><b>\u00a0<\/b><\/p>\n<p><b>\u00a0<\/b><\/p>\n<!-- AddThis Advanced Settings generic via filter on the_content --><!-- AddThis Share Buttons generic via filter on the_content -->","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Dans la seconde partie de la rencontre, les \u00e9changes ont eu lieu entre le public et Miguel Benasayag. 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