{"id":1696,"date":"2011-12-02T11:57:15","date_gmt":"2011-12-02T10:57:15","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/lyonbondyblog.fr\/LBB\/?p=1696"},"modified":"2013-07-26T12:01:07","modified_gmt":"2013-07-26T10:01:07","slug":"forum-libe-peut-on-se-construire-sans-frontieres","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lyonbondyblog.fr\/LBB\/forum-libe-peut-on-se-construire-sans-frontieres\/","title":{"rendered":"[Forum Lib\u00e9] Peut on se construire sans fronti\u00e8res ?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong>Julia a assist\u00e9 au d\u00e9bat \u2018\u2019Peut-on se construire sans fronti\u00e8res\u00a0?\u2019\u2019 et nous livre son exp\u00e9rience.<\/strong><\/p>\n<div><a title=\" -- Cliquez pour voir l'image en entier\" href=\"http:\/\/yahoo.lyon.bondyblog.fr\/images\/FH000003bisW_lt.jpg\" target=\"_blank\"> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft\" style=\"border: 0px none;\" alt=\" -- Cliquez pour voir l'image en entier\" src=\"http:\/\/yahoo.lyon.bondyblog.fr\/images\/FH000003bisW_lt_t.jpg\" width=\"193\" height=\"129\" border=\"0\" \/> <\/a><\/div>\n<div>Aujourd\u2019hui pour ma derni\u00e8re conf\u00e9rence j\u2019ai le privil\u00e8ge d\u2019avoir en face de moi deux intervenants de marque\u00a0: la c\u00e9l\u00e8bre chanteuse et musicienne Keren Ann (n\u00e9e en Isra\u00ebl, ayant v\u00e9cu en France, aux Etats-Unis et aux Pays Bas) et Rapha\u00ebl Enthoven (philosophe).\u2028Le d\u00e9bat d\u00e9bute avec Keren Ann sur la question de l\u2019association entre <b>l\u2019identit\u00e9 et le langage<\/b> (en particulier musical).<\/div>\n<p>Cette introduction me para\u00eet floue, je n\u2019ai pas bien compris le rapport entre la d\u00e9finition de nouvelles fronti\u00e8res, la possibilit\u00e9 \u00e9ventuelle de se construire sans fronti\u00e8re et le langage musical. Par la suite \u00e7a s\u2019am\u00e9liore, Keren Ann explique q&rsquo;un individu peut choisir de se sentir <b>chez soi partout<\/b>, la langue n\u2019\u00e9tant pas la seule d\u00e9finition de l\u2019identit\u00e9, elle n\u2019est qu\u2019un moyen de transcrire une id\u00e9e ou une pens\u00e9e. Mais je n\u2019ai pas particuli\u00e8rement adh\u00e9r\u00e9 \u00e0 ce discours largement bas\u00e9 sur la technique musicale (explication de la place que prend un instrument dans une pi\u00e8ce, la gamme de ces m\u00eames instruments). Peut \u2013\u00eatre voulait-elle dire que le langage musical est un langage que tout le monde comprend indiff\u00e9remment du pays dans lequel on se trouve.<\/p>\n<p>On se rapproche du sujet avec l\u2019intervention de Rapha\u00ebl Enthoven qui nous rappelle que le mot \u00ab\u00a0fronti\u00e8re\u00a0\u00bb est un oxymore, en-effet elle d\u00e9signe une cl\u00f4ture ouverte. Il fait ensuite l\u2019analogie \u00e0 la peau, qui, tout comme\u00a0 l\u2019Etat a besoin d\u2019une <b>fronti\u00e8re \u00ab\u00a0poreuse\u00a0\u00bb<\/b> afin de pouvoir survivre et de ne pas finir par \u00e9touffer. Nous avons tous plus ou moins conscience d\u2019appartenir \u00e0 un monde commun, un monde dans lequel il faut apprendre aux individus comment ne pas fermer la porte. Il cite ensuite l\u2019\u00e9minent philosophe Schopenhauer (n\u00e9anmoins antis\u00e9mite) qui pose le postulat que l\u2019homme est fonci\u00e8rement \u00e9go\u00efste mais qu\u2019\u00e0 c\u00f4t\u00e9 de \u00e7a il existe une forme de solidarit\u00e9 organique entre les \u00eatres. Si l\u2019on meurt le monde ne s\u2019arr\u00eate pas avec nous, la vie des autres continue. Il lance ensuite une phrase sans r\u00e9elle connexion avec les propos pr\u00e9c\u00e9dents mais qui peut nous \u00e9clairer sur bien des choses\u00a0: si les fronti\u00e8res \u00e9taient r\u00e9elles nous n\u2019aurions pas besoin de garde-fronti\u00e8res pour les garder. Il met \u00e9galement l\u2019accent sur l\u2019importance de l\u2019existence d\u2019autrui, autrui qui est ce qu\u2019il y a de plus intime chez soi.<\/p>\n<p>Le d\u00e9bat s\u2019engage ensuite sur la voie de la d\u00e9mondialisation (th\u00e8me que Mr Enthoven n\u2019a pas l\u2019air de porter dans son c\u0153ur). Pour lui on ne peut pas \u00ab\u00a0gu\u00e9rir\u00a0\u00bb de la mondialisation, ce n\u2019est pas un ph\u00e9nom\u00e8ne r\u00e9versible. Ce th\u00e8me est brandi par les dirigeants politiques dans un but d\u00e9magogique m\u00eame venant de la gauche, ce qui est \u00e9tonnant car la d\u00e9mondialisation signifie la fermeture des fronti\u00e8res. \u2028Keren Ann aborde ensuite la question du <b>cosmopolitisme<\/b>, en-effet elle semble la mieux \u00e0 m\u00eame d\u2019en parler \u00e9tant donn\u00e9 son parcours personnel. Elle parle de l\u2019importance de pr\u00e9server certaines cultures dans le but de ne pas \u00eatre unique, d\u2019appartenir \u00e0 un groupe, pourtant ceci n\u2019a aucun rapport avec une quelconque notion de communautarisme. Elle d\u00e9crit par la suite New York comme le lieu de pr\u00e9dilection du cosmopolitisme puisque toutes les communaut\u00e9s ethniques ou religieuses sont amen\u00e9es \u00e0 vivre ensemble et \u00e0 partager leur culture. C\u2019est l\u2019id\u00e9e du melting pot am\u00e9ricain, avec ce m\u00e9lange permanent et cette impr\u00e9gnation mutuelle. Mais Kerenn Ann oublie cependant que ce mod\u00e8le est justement remis en question, on parle actuellement de <b>\u00ab\u00a0salad bowl\u00a0<\/b>\u00bb c\u2019est-\u00e0-dire de communaut\u00e9s qui vivent ensemble mais qui se replient sur elles-m\u00eames et qui ne m\u00e9langent pas. Elle n\u2019a pas pris en compte dans ses propos le d\u00e9clin du mod\u00e8le dit du melting pot. Selon Mr Entheven, le 11 septembre est une attaque contre ce mod\u00e8le cosmopolite. Sur ce point il me parait un peu r\u00e9ducteur et simpliste de faire du cosmopolitisme la seule cause de ces attentats.<\/p>\n<p>En conclusion est abord\u00e9e l\u2019id\u00e9e d\u2019<b>Internet<\/b> comme moyen de briser les fronti\u00e8res. En effet les contacts peuvent se nouer plus facilement entre les individus. Internet peut \u00e9galement repousser les fronti\u00e8res de la dictature, on l\u2019a vu avec l\u2019importance de Facebook pendant le printemps arabe. Seulement Internet peut causer \u00e9norm\u00e9ment de dommages en d\u00e9mocratie avec la possibilit\u00e9 des gouvernants et des Renseignements G\u00e9n\u00e9raux de \u00ab\u00a0fliquer\u00a0\u00bb la population.<\/p>\n<p>Une conf\u00e9rence au th\u00e8me \u00e9vocateur que j\u2019attendais au tournant. Finalement elle est retomb\u00e9e comme un souffl\u00e9, le d\u00e9bat est parti dans tous les sens, en manquant le fil conducteur qui aurait pu \u00eatre des plus int\u00e9ressants. Des id\u00e9es int\u00e9ressantes mais ma curiosit\u00e9 demeure insatisfaite sur la possibilit\u00e9 de <b>construire un monde sans fronti\u00e8res. <\/b><\/p>\n<!-- AddThis Advanced Settings generic via filter on the_content --><!-- AddThis Share Buttons generic via filter on the_content -->","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Julia a assist\u00e9 au d\u00e9bat \u2018\u2019Peut-on se construire sans fronti\u00e8res\u00a0?\u2019\u2019 et nous livre son exp\u00e9rience. 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